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Tainted Innocence

i have officially decided...

...that i like cradle of filth...
who else besides stormrider likes COF?
Stormrider

If you don't mind me asking, what song or album or video or whatever got you to start liking COF? Did you hear other COF stuff before and didn't yet like it? Also if you need some rare COF songs to listen to I have them all! (Plus a shit load of bootlegs which I am slowly but surely adding to by COF Bootleg site at http://z11.invisionfree.com/UnderHuntressMoonCOF , I am Destroyer666 the admin there along with a friend who has nothing to do with that site other than helping me with codes, KISSFANATIC420.)
The Sexiest Metalhead

I hate Cradle of Filth. I hate Dani Filth. They're sellouts. I've never liked them. Dani has the most annoying voice of all time, well, becdes Billy Talent.

Can't stand em, sorry. One of the worst bands ever.
The Wicked One

never really got into them. sry
Dante

Np not my kind of music...
Stormrider

No need to apologize for hating COF, there are lots of bands I hate that other folks totally dig (Slipknot for example). Everyone has different faves and hates (though some have the same faves and hates), nothing wrong with that. I don't hate folks who hate my favorite band ever (COF), I don't hate those who hate Iced Earth (my second favorite band ever), but then those folks wouldn't be in this forum. Still it's all opinion, can't fault one for having opinions.
The Wicked One

well i think its safe to hate slipknot with good reasoning too.

The "maggots" don't get it.
KupoBarlow

The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
I hate Cradle of Filth. I hate Dani Filth. They're sellouts. I've never liked them. Dani has the most annoying voice of all time, well, becdes Billy Talent.

Can't stand em, sorry. One of the worst bands ever.


Hahaha, you take my words. I HATE Cradle of Filth  Evil or Very Mad
Tainted Innocence

it's odd,
COF is like the only somewhat black metal band i can listen to...
and the song that got me into them was born in a burial gown (first song i had ever heard by them)
but i dont mind people hating bands i like either.
because i too hate bands they probally like.
and the most annoying voice EVER is king diamond.
The Wicked One

Tainted Innocence wrote:
it's odd,
COF is like the only somewhat black metal band i can listen to...
and the song that got me into them was born in a burial gown (first song i had ever heard by them)
but i dont mind people hating bands i like either.
because i too hate bands they probally like.
and the most annoying voice EVER is king diamond.


NO YOU DIDN'T Laughing

in all seriousness KD rulz for me
Stormrider

Yea lots of folks that hate COF hate them not for their awesome music, most like that, but hate them for Dani's vocals. I like his vocals. I also like King Diamond when he sings sinister and not like he's being raked in the nuts, but I still listen to him even during those parts. My top three favorite bands ever are Cradle Of Filth, Iced Earth and KISS. I know there are folks here who don't like KISS either. I grew up on them they were my number one fav band til I found Iced Earth, than they were number two. Then I found COF, dropping IE and KISS to two and three. But oh well. Who says we all have to like each others faves anyway or always have the same band as our favorite.
The Wicked One

i like kiss and all but i grew up on other songs since my parents viewed Kiss to be overplayed and overrated.

so basically i got into Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Queen, Bad Company, Alice Cooper, Blue Oyster Cult, Sabbath, Deep Purple & Rod Argent's projects when i was a kid.

i never really gave Kiss a chance until after I heard the Iced Earth covers.
i gave a respectful listen only to find out how much the original songs and their other work is hit n miss for me.

Kiss' God of Thunder: it lacks balls, Id rather listen to IE or Entomed (which surprisingly sound alike)

same goes with Creatures of the Night.

Detroit Rock City is epic but then i found the live IE version here and that kicked Kiss' ass too.

so far Strutter and Deuce are the only songs that make me concert interested fan.
KupoBarlow

Tainted Innocence wrote:
...
and the most annoying voice EVER is king diamond.


That's fuckin' TRUE...King Diamond falsetto's are so fuckin' RIDICULOUS!! I hate them with all my heart! Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad
The Sexiest Metalhead

KupoBarlow wrote:
Tainted Innocence wrote:
...
and the most annoying voice EVER is king diamond.


That's fuckin' TRUE...King Diamond falsetto's are so fuckin' RIDICULOUS!! I hate them with all my heart! Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad


No. Not even close. Dani Filth is the worst... At least King Diamond sings NORMAL sometime...
Stormrider

The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
KupoBarlow wrote:
Tainted Innocence wrote:
...
and the most annoying voice EVER is king diamond.


That's fuckin' TRUE...King Diamond falsetto's are so fuckin' RIDICULOUS!! I hate them with all my heart! Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad


No. Not even close. Dani Filth is the worst... At least King Diamond sings NORMAL sometime...


Hate to break the news to you, but Dani does indeed sing normal alot. He has a real deep voice for that. He even sings normally on their cover of the Misfits (or is it Samhain?) Halloween II song. I know lots of folks don't like Dani's screaming vocals (I do, I also like the other vocal styles he has too) and that's cool, but really when folks think all he does is scream (same with King Diamond, I know he just doesn't have the girly high vocals all the time), they haven't heard hardly any COF. But still don't get me wrong, I am not trying to trash your opinion of COF, you don't like them that's cool. Just correcting a misconception on his vocals.
The Sexiest Metalhead

Stormrider wrote:
The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
KupoBarlow wrote:
Tainted Innocence wrote:
...
and the most annoying voice EVER is king diamond.


That's fuckin' TRUE...King Diamond falsetto's are so fuckin' RIDICULOUS!! I hate them with all my heart! Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad


No. Not even close. Dani Filth is the worst... At least King Diamond sings NORMAL sometime...


Hate to break the news to you, but Dani does indeed sing normal alot. He has a real deep voice for that. He even sings normally on their cover of the Misfits (or is it Samhain?) Halloween II song. I know lots of folks don't like Dani's screaming vocals (I do, I also like the other vocal styles he has too) and that's cool, but really when folks think all he does is scream (same with King Diamond, I know he just doesn't have the girly high vocals all the time), they haven't heard hardly any COF. But still don't get me wrong, I am not trying to trash your opinion of COF, you don't like them that's cool. Just correcting a misconception on his vocals.


My brother loves COF. Has all of thier albums. I hear them almost everyday. Dani cannot sing "normal." I mean, for gods sake, sounds like a dying animal 24/7. I just don't understand how people think he has good vocals. At least King Daimond has interesting songs... it's not all "I Rape a Bloody Angel While Slaughtering Jesus" stuff...
Stormrider

The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
Stormrider wrote:
The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
KupoBarlow wrote:
Tainted Innocence wrote:
...
and the most annoying voice EVER is king diamond.


That's fuckin' TRUE...King Diamond falsetto's are so fuckin' RIDICULOUS!! I hate them with all my heart! Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad


No. Not even close. Dani Filth is the worst... At least King Diamond sings NORMAL sometime...


Hate to break the news to you, but Dani does indeed sing normal alot. He has a real deep voice for that. He even sings normally on their cover of the Misfits (or is it Samhain?) Halloween II song. I know lots of folks don't like Dani's screaming vocals (I do, I also like the other vocal styles he has too) and that's cool, but really when folks think all he does is scream (same with King Diamond, I know he just doesn't have the girly high vocals all the time), they haven't heard hardly any COF. But still don't get me wrong, I am not trying to trash your opinion of COF, you don't like them that's cool. Just correcting a misconception on his vocals.


My brother loves COF. Has all of thier albums. I hear them almost everyday. Dani cannot sing "normal." I mean, for gods sake, sounds like a dying animal 24/7. I just don't understand how people think he has good vocals. At least King Daimond has interesting songs... it's not all "I Rape a Bloody Angel While Slaughtering Jesus" stuff...


You obviously haven't heard his "normal" vocals. Listen to their cover of Halloween II, listen to Beneath The Howling Stars at 3:50 into the song, where he starts with "Tongue unto tongue", that is in no way bad singing (let me take that back, some folks can consider it bad singing) nor is it screaming or growling or anything, just a deep voice vocal. He has lots of songs with parts like that. Again I am not telling you that your hating his vocals is wrong, but I am telling you you are completely wrong when saying he can't do "normal" vocals.

Either you just don't pay attention to your brothers playing the songs or you are just ignorant to the mans various vocal styles. No offense meant with the ignorant thing, it's just obviously you haven't heard all of Dani's vocals if you have than you would know he does indeed have a normal singing voice in alot of his songs. Whether his "normal" vocals are good or bad is opinion only, so that doesn't matter, but you can't deny they are "normal" vocals, if you bother to listen to them.

Sorry not trying to sound like an ass, but it is just obvious you haven't got a clue to his singing. Again if you don't like his vocals no big deal, you don't have too. Simple. I am not trying to win you over to likeing him, or his vocals, just correcting a misconception once again. If his vocals do suck as is your opinion of them, that is fine, but like I said you can't deny that he does of "normal" vocals in his songs. Hating someones vocals does not mean they can't do other types of vocals. Sorry this ended up being so long. I am not trying to go against anyones opinions, just going against false claims. Good or bad vocals don't matter, his different singing styles is all I am trying to get across hear. He can sing "normal" is all I'm trying to say and that is a fact, again good or bad it doesn't matter, he can sing normal, is all I'm trying to say.
The Sexiest Metalhead

Stormrider wrote:
The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
Stormrider wrote:
The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
KupoBarlow wrote:
Tainted Innocence wrote:
...
and the most annoying voice EVER is king diamond.


That's fuckin' TRUE...King Diamond falsetto's are so fuckin' RIDICULOUS!! I hate them with all my heart! Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad


No. Not even close. Dani Filth is the worst... At least King Diamond sings NORMAL sometime...


Hate to break the news to you, but Dani does indeed sing normal alot. He has a real deep voice for that. He even sings normally on their cover of the Misfits (or is it Samhain?) Halloween II song. I know lots of folks don't like Dani's screaming vocals (I do, I also like the other vocal styles he has too) and that's cool, but really when folks think all he does is scream (same with King Diamond, I know he just doesn't have the girly high vocals all the time), they haven't heard hardly any COF. But still don't get me wrong, I am not trying to trash your opinion of COF, you don't like them that's cool. Just correcting a misconception on his vocals.


My brother loves COF. Has all of thier albums. I hear them almost everyday. Dani cannot sing "normal." I mean, for gods sake, sounds like a dying animal 24/7. I just don't understand how people think he has good vocals. At least King Daimond has interesting songs... it's not all "I Rape a Bloody Angel While Slaughtering Jesus" stuff...


You obviously haven't heard his "normal" vocals. Listen to their cover of Halloween II, listen to Beneath The Howling Stars at 3:50 into the song, where he starts with "Tongue unto tongue", that is in no way bad singing (let me take that back, some folks can consider it bad singing) nor is it screaming or growling or anything, just a deep voice vocal. He has lots of songs with parts like that. Again I am not telling you that your hating his vocals is wrong, but I am telling you you are completely wrong when saying he can't do "normal" vocals.

Either you just don't pay attention to your brothers playing the songs or you are just ignorant to the mans various vocal styles. No offense meant with the ignorant thing, it's just obviously you haven't heard all of Dani's vocals if you have than you would know he does indeed have a normal singing voice in alot of his songs. Whether his "normal" vocals are good or bad is opinion only, so that doesn't matter, but you can't deny they are "normal" vocals, if you bother to listen to them.

Sorry not trying to sound like an ass, but it is just obvious you haven't got a clue to his singing. Again if you don't like his vocals no big deal, you don't have too. Simple. I am not trying to win you over to likeing him, or his vocals, just correcting a misconception once again. If his vocals do suck as is your opinion of them, that is fine, but like I said you can't deny that he does of "normal" vocals in his songs. Hating someones vocals does not mean they can't do other types of vocals. Sorry this ended up being so long. I am not trying to go against anyones opinions, just going against false claims. Good or bad vocals don't matter, his different singing styles is all I am trying to get across hear. He can sing "normal" is all I'm trying to say and that is a fact, again good or bad it doesn't matter, he can sing normal, is all I'm trying to say.


Well, I don't find any of his vocals normal, so... all to thier own.

My brother keeps telling me there sellouts... and I agree because there even worse than they use to be... Laughing
Stormrider

You obviously have a different definition of "normal". When I say normal I mean clean singing, no growling, or screaming or anything like that. So by that definition he does have normal vocals in lots of their songs. I am curious though as to what you define "normal' vocals as. Me I don't consider good or bad singing to be normal or not. But you may, I don't know. And there would be nothing wrong with that. All my replies are not meant to be "you are wrong, your opinion sucks" type replies, though they may come off as such, if they do I am sorry. As far as I know we are just having different opinions and not having a "cyber argument". At least I don't want this to turn into something like that if you know what I mean.

Also what is your definition of "sell out"? To me sell out is someone who changes their music drastically to make money, not cause they want to try something different. COF have changed their music (but are going back to the heavy for the next album), but to experiment with different styles, not for the sake of just selling more albums. I mean all bands want to sell albums of course, but to change to a crappy style of music that just totally sucks and is way different than your original style just for money not for change, is sell out to me, Metallica being the prime example. But that is my definition and opinion.
The Wicked One

bleck, WAY too much reading.

anyway KD rules!!!

look most mainstream black metal isn't my bag, especially COF.

Exorcist > KD > COF
IMO
The Sexiest Metalhead

Stormrider wrote:
You obviously have a different definition of "normal". When I say normal I mean clean singing, no growling, or screaming or anything like that. So by that definition he does have normal vocals in lots of their songs. I am curious though as to what you define "normal' vocals as. Me I don't consider good or bad singing to be normal or not. But you may, I don't know. And there would be nothing wrong with that. All my replies are not meant to be "you are wrong, your opinion sucks" type replies, though they may come off as such, if they do I am sorry. As far as I know we are just having different opinions and not having a "cyber argument". At least I don't want this to turn into something like that if you know what I mean.

Also what is your definition of "sell out"? To me sell out is someone who changes their music drastically to make money, not cause they want to try something different. COF have changed their music (but are going back to the heavy for the next album), but to experiment with different styles, not for the sake of just selling more albums. I mean all bands want to sell albums of course, but to change to a crappy style of music that just totally sucks and is way different than your original style just for money not for change, is sell out to me, Metallica being the prime example. But that is my definition and opinion.


Well, isn't Cradle of Filth your favorite band? Having in argument with you is like telling the company Kraft thier Macoroni sucks... there not going to agree with you Laughing . Normal as in a normal voacalist. If your going to growl, growl. But he sounds like Billy Talent mixed with a dying peacock. He's awful. I just hate his singing style.

Well, I know A LOT of posers think Cradle of Filth is the best band in the world. I'm not saying you're a poser, I'm just saying around here people who do are. They love Marilyn Manson and My Chemical Romance...
Stormrider

The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
Stormrider wrote:
You obviously have a different definition of "normal". When I say normal I mean clean singing, no growling, or screaming or anything like that. So by that definition he does have normal vocals in lots of their songs. I am curious though as to what you define "normal' vocals as. Me I don't consider good or bad singing to be normal or not. But you may, I don't know. And there would be nothing wrong with that. All my replies are not meant to be "you are wrong, your opinion sucks" type replies, though they may come off as such, if they do I am sorry. As far as I know we are just having different opinions and not having a "cyber argument". At least I don't want this to turn into something like that if you know what I mean.

Also what is your definition of "sell out"? To me sell out is someone who changes their music drastically to make money, not cause they want to try something different. COF have changed their music (but are going back to the heavy for the next album), but to experiment with different styles, not for the sake of just selling more albums. I mean all bands want to sell albums of course, but to change to a crappy style of music that just totally sucks and is way different than your original style just for money not for change, is sell out to me, Metallica being the prime example. But that is my definition and opinion.


Well, isn't Cradle of Filth your favorite band? Having in argument with you is like telling the company Kraft thier Macoroni sucks... there not going to agree with you Laughing . Normal as in a normal voacalist. If your going to growl, growl. But he sounds like Billy Talent mixed with a dying peacock. He's awful. I just hate his singing style.

Well, I know A LOT of posers think Cradle of Filth is the best band in the world. I'm not saying you're a poser, I'm just saying around here people who do are. They love Marilyn Manson and My Chemical Romance...


Who said I wanted an argument? I simply said that regardless of one thinking Dani's vocals suck or not is a moot point. Because what I mean by normal vocals is clean vocals. No one is saying or wanting you to like Dani's vocals, just simply stating regardless if he sucks or not he DOES sing normal alot as in NOT screaming and growling. That is all. I mean I could care less if you hate his vocals or not, it's not my place to tell you to not have that opinion and I wouldn't. Just by the regular (which happens to be my definition as well as it pertains to metal vocals) definition of "normal" vocals he does do them.

I still don't get what you define "normal" vocals as. "Normal as in a normal vocalist" doesn't make sense at all. Simply because you didn't define what a normal vocalist is too you. Like I said to me and to most folks in the metal world (I will not say all because frankly I can not know that) normal vocals mean clean vocals. Sucky or not. Just want to get some information is all. I don't care if you hate Dani or not, just saying you can't say he doesn't sing normal when he does, depending on your definition of normal vocals that is. Once we get that established I won't bother you with definitions and trying to correct what I see as flat out wrong regardless of who likes or hates Dani, which is a moot point in regards to this.
Stormrider

Quote:
Well, I know A LOT of posers think Cradle of Filth is the best band in the world. I'm not saying you're a poser, I'm just saying around here people who do are. They love Marilyn Manson and My Chemical Romance...


I don't get what you mean. Around here? As in this forum? If so you are wrong. This forum is for IE fans of course but also those same fans like other music and all of us like IE. Not all of us are going to like each others favorite bands. Manson has lots of great songs (though not much good ones after Antichrist Superstar, in my opinion). My Chemical Romance are too gay for my tastes, but whatever. You don't have to like COF or Manson or MCR. And yes I admit (though I am not part of that statistic) that lots of CURRENT COF fans are posers cause they only liked them since Nymphetamine was released and never heard their older stuff and when they do they say it's not them or it sucks.

COF did change their music style since Nymphetamine but it still kicks ass (in my opinion) and I don't think it's a sell out simply cause they WANTED to change musical direction and didn't care about sales. I have talked with various band members and the seeming trend of re releasing albums as special editions is not their idea it is the record lables. The band don't care about the special editions, if it were up to them they wouldn't allow those to be released. That shows they care more about their fans and their music than record sales, which to me is not a sell out in anyway. But I digress getting off topic here (again), sorry.
Set Abominae

Tainted Innocence wrote:

and the most annoying voice EVER is king diamond.


Shocked

KING DIAMOND IS GODLY!!!!
The Sexiest Metalhead

Stormrider wrote:
Quote:
Well, I know A LOT of posers think Cradle of Filth is the best band in the world. I'm not saying you're a poser, I'm just saying around here people who do are. They love Marilyn Manson and My Chemical Romance...


I don't get what you mean. Around here? As in this forum? If so you are wrong. This forum is for IE fans of course but also those same fans like other music and all of us like IE. Not all of us are going to like each others favorite bands. Manson has lots of great songs (though not much good ones after Antichrist Superstar, in my opinion). My Chemical Romance are too gay for my tastes, but whatever. You don't have to like COF or Manson or MCR. And yes I admit (though I am not part of that statistic) that lots of CURRENT COF fans are posers cause they only liked them since Nymphetamine was released and never heard their older stuff and when they do they say it's not them or it sucks.

COF did change their music style since Nymphetamine but it still kicks ass (in my opinion) and I don't think it's a sell out simply cause they WANTED to change musical direction and didn't care about sales. I have talked with various band members and the seeming trend of re releasing albums as special editions is not their idea it is the record lables. The band don't care about the special editions, if it were up to them they wouldn't allow those to be released. That shows they care more about their fans and their music than record sales, which to me is not a sell out in anyway. But I digress getting off topic here (again), sorry.


Well, now it's "Thornograpy"... (i think that's what it's called...). I ment around were I live, not on this forum. People say they listen to metal but they love MM, Cradle of Filth, Tool, Slipknot, and Disturbed. Nothing else. You mention Iron Maiden and there like "yeah, I like a few of there songs. I love the one off Guitar Hero." Wow, you're awesome! Laughing  Confused

You're right, about changing thier musical direction. But comon. You don't think they changed at all because they wanted a more mainstram audience? There under Roadrunner. That just shows it right there (sorry, but I hate Roadrunner...). I'm not sure what they were under before...

Look, I don't don't like Cradle of Filth for two main reasons. There subject matter and vocals. Most believe Dani Filth is unique. Well, I'll give him that, but it isn't a good unique. Sorry, my opinion, ya know? His vocal tones are just annoying. When things bug me, I don't consider them normal. It's just something I said. I'm sorry if I confused you. When I said normal, I ment not good. Laughing
Stormrider

You indeed did confuse me with the "normal" thing. Oh well, like I said we can't all like the same bands. I do agree with you on the other subject. "yeah, I like a few of there songs. I love the one off Guitar Hero." That quote is just too funny cause I heard similar quotes. First off, the Iron Maiden tracks on the games are COVERS, sure there are original artists and songs on the game, but the Maiden songs are covers not the actual Maiden versions. Still some folks just don't get it, that much is true (when it comes to bands older material). Even with COF and Metallica as examples, kids hear the newer stuff than when they hear the older much better stuff, they are like "that's not them" or "they sucked back then".

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I'm not sure what they were under before...

They were under several different lables, one of their best albums "Damnation And A Day" was when they were signed to Sony. Yes THE SONY. Though they only had one album with Sony. Then came Roadrunner. Personally I don't think Paul and Sarah (the two members of COF I spoke too a while back about the selling out subject) would lie to me when they said they didn't change to be more mainstream. I believe them. They changed just to see how it would go, not to gain more audience. Gaining more audience was just a "perk" they didn't strive to get when they changed, it just happened. After all they are going back to Old School COF with the new album, so definitely no Roadrunner influence in their music there. If they did indeed lie to me than no big deal, still I don't believe they are sell outs cause of my actually talking to them in person.

PS for those interested who like both King Diamond and COF, King does backing vocals on the COF cover of Cliff Richard's "Devil Woman". No big deal really as there is not much of King on the track but still.[/quote]
The Sexiest Metalhead

Stormrider wrote:
You indeed did confuse me with the "normal" thing. Oh well, like I said we can't all like the same bands. I do agree with you on the other subject. "yeah, I like a few of there songs. I love the one off Guitar Hero." That quote is just too funny cause I heard similar quotes. First off, the Iron Maiden tracks on the games are COVERS, sure there are original artists and songs on the game, but the Maiden songs are covers not the actual Maiden versions. Still some folks just don't get it, that much is true (when it comes to bands older material). Even with COF and Metallica as examples, kids hear the newer stuff than when they hear the older much better stuff, they are like "that's not them" or "they sucked back then".

Quote:
I'm not sure what they were under before...

They were under several different lables, one of their best albums "Damnation And A Day" was when they were signed to Sony. Yes THE SONY. Though they only had one album with Sony. Then came Roadrunner. Personally I don't think Paul and Sarah (the two members of COF I spoke too a while back about the selling out subject) would lie to me when they said they didn't change to be more mainstream. I believe them. They changed just to see how it would go, not to gain more audience. Gaining more audience was just a "perk" they didn't strive to get when they changed, it just happened. After all they are going back to Old School COF with the new album, so definitely no Roadrunner influence in their music there. If they did indeed lie to me than no big deal, still I don't believe they are sell outs cause of my actually talking to them in person.

PS for those interested who like both King Diamond and COF, King does backing vocals on the COF cover of Cliff Richard's "Devil Woman". No big deal really as there is not much of King on the track but still.
[/quote]

You say that they're going back to thier old style, but do you really belive that? I mean, it could happen, but why would they take the chance? After gaining a whole new fanbase and making more money, why would they go back to thier older style?
Stormrider

The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
Stormrider wrote:
You indeed did confuse me with the "normal" thing. Oh well, like I said we can't all like the same bands. I do agree with you on the other subject. "yeah, I like a few of there songs. I love the one off Guitar Hero." That quote is just too funny cause I heard similar quotes. First off, the Iron Maiden tracks on the games are COVERS, sure there are original artists and songs on the game, but the Maiden songs are covers not the actual Maiden versions. Still some folks just don't get it, that much is true (when it comes to bands older material). Even with COF and Metallica as examples, kids hear the newer stuff than when they hear the older much better stuff, they are like "that's not them" or "they sucked back then".

Quote:
I'm not sure what they were under before...

They were under several different lables, one of their best albums "Damnation And A Day" was when they were signed to Sony. Yes THE SONY. Though they only had one album with Sony. Then came Roadrunner. Personally I don't think Paul and Sarah (the two members of COF I spoke too a while back about the selling out subject) would lie to me when they said they didn't change to be more mainstream. I believe them. They changed just to see how it would go, not to gain more audience. Gaining more audience was just a "perk" they didn't strive to get when they changed, it just happened. After all they are going back to Old School COF with the new album, so definitely no Roadrunner influence in their music there. If they did indeed lie to me than no big deal, still I don't believe they are sell outs cause of my actually talking to them in person.

PS for those interested who like both King Diamond and COF, King does backing vocals on the COF cover of Cliff Richard's "Devil Woman". No big deal really as there is not much of King on the track but still.


You say that they're going back to thier old style, but do you really belive that? I mean, it could happen, but why would they take the chance? After gaining a whole new fanbase and making more money, why would they go back to thier older style?


Because talking to them in person, they are not in it for fame and fortune, they just want to make kick ass music. Fame and fortuen are just perks of the job they love doing. Even Paul Allendar (the guitarist) admits that the last two albums weren't what he expected them to be, but still likes them. He said they are going back to old school COF, not because fans want them too (and alot of fans do) but because THEY want to. By my conversations with him and other band members, they do want to make money (gotta make a living after all) but they won't compromise their music. The "weak" last two albums were not because of Roadrunner, it was because of the band. Which is why they want to go back to old school, not only to prove the "sell out" status wrong (and they know they are accused of being sell outs), but because they prefer old school COF to new COF (I may have misremembered or misheard this so don't take the they prefer old to new as gospel). That's from the band members themselves. Though not exact quotes as I didn't record any of the conversations, this is just from memory.

Though true, many a band have stated they are going back to their old style with the new albums (COF actually said that about Thornography prior to release, but Paul assures me that this is not the same) and it was totally NOT. Metallica said it about St Anger and we all know how that turned out. Other bands I can't think of at the moment also stated this and turned out to be a lie. So I am not denying the possibility that the band may "THINK" they are going back old school but are really not. Still I don't think they would lie about it. If they do indeed NOT go old school on the new album, I still wouldn't say they lied. But I am sure I will still like the new album.
The Sexiest Metalhead

Stormrider wrote:
The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
Stormrider wrote:
You indeed did confuse me with the "normal" thing. Oh well, like I said we can't all like the same bands. I do agree with you on the other subject. "yeah, I like a few of there songs. I love the one off Guitar Hero." That quote is just too funny cause I heard similar quotes. First off, the Iron Maiden tracks on the games are COVERS, sure there are original artists and songs on the game, but the Maiden songs are covers not the actual Maiden versions. Still some folks just don't get it, that much is true (when it comes to bands older material). Even with COF and Metallica as examples, kids hear the newer stuff than when they hear the older much better stuff, they are like "that's not them" or "they sucked back then".

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I'm not sure what they were under before...

They were under several different lables, one of their best albums "Damnation And A Day" was when they were signed to Sony. Yes THE SONY. Though they only had one album with Sony. Then came Roadrunner. Personally I don't think Paul and Sarah (the two members of COF I spoke too a while back about the selling out subject) would lie to me when they said they didn't change to be more mainstream. I believe them. They changed just to see how it would go, not to gain more audience. Gaining more audience was just a "perk" they didn't strive to get when they changed, it just happened. After all they are going back to Old School COF with the new album, so definitely no Roadrunner influence in their music there. If they did indeed lie to me than no big deal, still I don't believe they are sell outs cause of my actually talking to them in person.

PS for those interested who like both King Diamond and COF, King does backing vocals on the COF cover of Cliff Richard's "Devil Woman". No big deal really as there is not much of King on the track but still.


You say that they're going back to thier old style, but do you really belive that? I mean, it could happen, but why would they take the chance? After gaining a whole new fanbase and making more money, why would they go back to thier older style?


Because talking to them in person, they are not in it for fame and fortune, they just want to make kick ass music. Fame and fortuen are just perks of the job they love doing. Even Paul Allendar (the guitarist) admits that the last two albums weren't what he expected them to be, but still likes them. He said they are going back to old school COF, not because fans want them too (and alot of fans do) but because THEY want to. By my conversations with him and other band members, they do want to make money (gotta make a living after all) but they won't compromise their music. The "weak" last two albums were not because of Roadrunner, it was because of the band. Which is why they want to go back to old school, not only to prove the "sell out" status wrong (and they know they are accused of being sell outs), but because they prefer old school COF to new COF (I may have misremembered or misheard this so don't take the they prefer old to new as gospel). That's from the band members themselves. Though not exact quotes as I didn't record any of the conversations, this is just from memory.

Though true, many a band have stated they are going back to their old style with the new albums (COF actually said that about Thornography prior to release, but Paul assures me that this is not the same) and it was totally NOT. Metallica said it about St Anger and we all know how that turned out. Other bands I can't think of at the moment also stated this and turned out to be a lie. So I am not denying the possibility that the band may "THINK" they are going back old school but are really not. Still I don't think they would lie about it. If they do indeed NOT go old school on the new album, I still wouldn't say they lied. But I am sure I will still like the new album.


Well, eversience I'm not a Cradle of Filth fan, I won't hear this new album. But if they keep thier word I'll be suprised. Just because I'm used to bands saying that, and it just gets worse, ya know?
The Wicked One

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Aggelos Poneros

The Wicked One wrote:
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The Sexiest Metalhead

The Wicked One wrote:
*cough* st. anger *cough*


Laughing

God that album sucked so god damn bad...
Stormrider

I do hope that they are telling the truth about going old school, still it is possible their old school is not the same as a fan like me would think. Who knows. Just have to wait and see, til October 2008.
Tainted Innocence

i have to say,
COF has SOME bad songs but they still have they're bad ass stuff... (i personally LOVE tonight in flames) and even if you hate dani,you need to have respect fo rthe band (the musical aspect) they have some very dark and (is it errie?) guitar riffs. and the keyboard's are a great atribute to the bands overall feel.
TheVileMessiah

The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
The Wicked One wrote:
*cough* st. anger *cough*


Laughing

God that album sucked so god damn bad...


I found about three tracks enjoyable, at least for a while. All Within In Hands is just hilarious.

KILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILL

Very Happy
Tainted Innocence

i greatly dislike mettalica either way.

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