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Kanadwen

Your opinion on America?

Alright, serious topic here. I know theres a lot of people here not in America, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on us right now, and how Jon have made certain songs patriotic (Declaration Day, Eagle Cries, Ghost of Freedom (?not sure if Jon wrote this one), Gettysburg, Valley Forge), and I understand that some could be just be labeled in the "Historic Battles" section, but there's still some level of patriotism in there. There is a big different between pre-9/11 patriotism, and post-9/11 patriotism, and my friend said that Jon got caught up in the post-9/11, which is where I wanna hear some opinions about this, and in general, America. Please, let's keep the heat down to a minimum.
Stormrider

Well I'm an American so I don't know if I'm allowed to post my view, but I will anyway. Even though we have censorship in places there shouldn't be and christianity is the top religion, oh and there are certain idiotic unnecessary laws that are on the books, I still think America is the best country EVER!!!! (Though besides Iced Earth and KISS, it seems the majority of the best bands ever come from elsewhere, mainly England, Germany and Sweden)
Dante

USA Has it's ups and downs like all countries!

I'm from Sweden and I'm a hardcore nationalist, don't get me wrong on this. (a loot of people in school calls me a racist, but I can assure you that I'm not)
And I don't have anything against that Americans are nationalists to,
as long as they don't have any racial prejudice, no one should be judged for the color of their skins!

And yes I think a lot of Americans have somewhat bad attitude against what happens around the world!

About Jon I just thinks he loves his country... Why else would he tour as much in Europe?
IMO



BTW this thread makes me think of this PIC:
Kanadwen

LOL, nice fucking picture!
Stormrider

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About Jon I just thinks he loves his country... Why else would he tour as much in Europe?


So Jon is not originally American? I did not know that.
The Well Hungarian

I love America!  Always have Always will!
Kanadwen

Stormrider wrote:
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About Jon I just thinks he loves his country... Why else would he tour as much in Europe?


So Jon is not originally American? I did not know that.


Sarcasm? Not sure what Dante meant by that. Jon is American, but IE has a much bigger fan base in Europe than here in the states.
Stormrider

Yea I know (though I didn't catch the sarcasm thing, flew right over my head! duh!) they seem to have a bigger fan base elsewhere, I guess Americans are so brainwashed with the rap hip hop crap, they actually think its good and can get laid if you listen to that shit, so it is really popular. Oh well. I will always love America even with it's faults and of course ICED EARTH!!!
Kanadwen

Stormrider wrote:
I guess Americans are so brainwashed with the rap hip hop crap, they actually think its good and can get laid if you listen to that shit


So true! Fuckers...I love it when some bitch is blasting his fucking crap in a fucking parking lot, I drive slowly by with IE blazing. So fun! Smile
Diminished

The US is a mess (yo yo yo), I only lived there for about a year but thats still long enough to realize and suffer its idiocracy's. The fact that the country is a national super-power makes me sick, the laws are over the top strickt, the military seems to be alowed to waltz right into any other country they want occupy it, and (this is probably the worst ov all) you have to be 21 to buy alcohol.
the one true seeker

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There is a big different between pre-9/11 patriotism, and post-9/11 patriotism, and my friend said that Jon got caught up in the post-9/11,


There is a big difference .  Before 9/11, some of my friends said I was too patriotic.  After 9/11 those same people were driving around with flags on their cars.  I tactfully accused them of being posers, I don't talk those people very much anymore.  Sad

As far as Jon getting caught up in post 9/11.  I think we all did.  However Jon has always been a patriotic person.  Ghost of Freedom was written and recorded pre-9/11 and dedicated to the men and women of the U.S. Armed Forces.

Not trying to sound like a jerk but if it wasn't for the U.S. the world would probably be speaking German and under rule of some idiotic crazed Hitler offsping.  There would be no Jewish or Muslim religions left cause they would have been massacred a long time ago.  Not to mention that whole arian race thing.
Now don't get me wrong I am not anti-german. I actually have a lot of strong German heritage.  My grandparents came from Germany just before WWII.  
OK maybe germany doesn't win WWII and America is not the factor in this. The other outcome . We are all speaking Russian and the Soviet Union controls the world.  Why do they rule the world ?  Because there is no U.S. to spend billions and billions of dollars fighting the cold war and keeping them in check.


Sorry if I offended anyone Crying or Very sad I just feel that America has been getting a bad rap lately.  I know we have a president that went from being Forrest Gump(pre-9/11) to being John Wayne(post9/11) in about 24 hours.  but you have to realize the sleeping giant is asleep no longer.

Please don't fault the people for what the government does.
The Wicked One

I love my country.
That being said if I ever visit Germany, Sweden, Ireland, Japan, and Amsterdam, I'll love them too XD.
Dante

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Not trying to sound like a jerk but if it wasn't for the U.S. the world
would probably be speaking German and under rule of some idiotic crazed Hitler offsping.

Yeah but there would be peace!
And it was actually Russia that took out most of Nazi-Germany, so we would
probably have Jews and stuff without America... But then we all would be communists, and all our houses would be gray!
Sentinel

I have always liked america, though everyone says it's quite fucked up, so I would like to live there for a year or two and actually see if it's true.
Kanadwen

Sentinel wrote:
everyone says it's quite fucked up, so I would like to live there for a year or two and actually see if it's true.


The general population are fucking morons, and it's even worse depending on where you live. I was raised in Texas until I was 18, then I moved up here with the Yanks. Totally different people here. In Texas, there was a unspoken form of friendship and respect, always greeting people, holding doors open, etc... Up here in the north, it is the exact opposite! People are fucking rude, they only care for themselves, no one is nice, and worse of all, no one can fucking drive up here, it's fucking insane!
Sentinel

Kanadwen wrote:
Sentinel wrote:
everyone says it's quite fucked up, so I would like to live there for a year or two and actually see if it's true.


The general population are fucking morons, and it's even worse depending on where you live. I was raised in Texas until I was 18, then I moved up here with the Yanks. Totally different people here. In Texas, there was a unspoken form of friendship and respect, always greeting people, holding doors open, etc... Up here in the north, it is the exact opposite! People are fucking rude, they only care for themselves, no one is nice, and worse of all, no one can fucking drive up here, it's fucking insane!


hmm...that's one thing i've heard, that the people are very selfish in america.
And if it is as rude as you say then I don't think I could survive there for 2 years :p
The Wicked One

well of course not all of us are like that but there is a good amount of them.
The Sexiest Metalhead

If you don't like the US, fuck off. If you don't live in America then you shouldn't be posting here because you have no idea what it's like. So why do it?

Sorry, I hate it when people talk trash about America. Who care's? Can we start a thread saying "Your opinion on Europe?"

Iced Earth was formed in America, all the members are American. That is also a reason you shouldn't talk.

If you're from America and hate it, then move somewere else. Don't complain about it.

My ranting sorry.
Feaněs

Well, I'm from Austria, neighbor country of germany, and that topic really IS serious as you all know.....

I visited America a year ago, and I love it , it's a great country with great and friendly people, an amazing landscape and very good music.
Of course there are always some idiots talking shit and making things worse, BUT, let us see the positive, and I'm sure USA has a lot of it...

I think John is a patriot who knows his roots, and who knows were USA was built on, and all he does was, to show the importants of history to his people, and through his love to that history and that epic moments of american history, he reminded me and many others of the great idea the united states were founded on.

USA, metal up your ass!!!!
Dante

The Sexiest Metalhead wrote:
If you don't like the US, fuck off. If you don't live in America then you shouldn't be posting here because you have no idea what it's like. So why do it?

Sorry, I hate it when people talk trash about America. Who care's? Can we start a thread saying "Your opinion on Europe?"

Iced Earth was formed in America, all the members are American. That is also a reason you shouldn't talk.

If you're from America and hate it, then move somewere else. Don't complain about it.

My ranting sorry.

Don't take this personally, but I think that this is the greatest
problem with Americans! (whining, and can't take criticism!)
I wouldn't have anything against if you opened a thread about Europe or Sweden!
As long as it doesn't consist of a bunch of lies!

You as an American should know that everyone is free and are allowed to have their opinion!
Sandra - Dark Saga -

The Wicked One wrote:
well of course not all of us are like that but there is a good amount of them.


Yes...  Sad
a good amount of Americans are retarded or mean... idk why...
Speaking about politics, I hate the US cause they always want to rule every place in the world and to take everything for themselves, always messing with other countries' problems even if it's not their business... idk...
But, anyways, I've met really cool Americans... nice and funny... and I'd like to live for some time there to teach some Spanish  Wink (I'm a languages teacher) but I love my country (Colombia) so fucking much that I wouldn't live anyplace else but here  Cool
Now, I know that Colombia doesn't have a positive image out there, and that's because they haven't come...  Very Happy this place is beautiful  Cool
Tainted Innocence

we're all going to bloody hell! >.<
The Wicked One

Sandra - Dark Saga - wrote:
The Wicked One wrote:
well of course not all of us are like that but there is a good amount of them.


Yes...  Sad
a good amount of Americans are retarded or mean... idk why...
Speaking about politics, I hate the US cause they always want to rule every place in the world and to take everything for themselves, always messing with other countries' problems even if it's not their business... idk...
But, anyways, I've met really cool Americans... nice and funny... and I'd like to live for some time there to teach some Spanish  Wink (I'm a languages teacher) but I love my country (Colombia) so fucking much that I wouldn't live anyplace else but here  Cool
Now, I know that Colombia doesn't have a positive image out there, and that's because they haven't come...  Very Happy this place is beautiful  Cool


Our Foriegn policy hasn't changed since Teddy Roosevelt. Speak softly but carry a big stick.

We noticed speaking softly didn't stop Osama sending planes into the Trade towers or Sadam Hussien from Gas-Killing Kurds. Or the fact that Iraq was a Totalitarian state that put on the mask of a Democracy, Anyone who disagreed ended up dead.

What is also great is that while we were inspecting for WMD's borders between Syria and Iraq had trucks crossing freely with no problem. Then we finally get  to inspect and gee, wonder why we didn't find anything.

Whilst there are things that should have been done a bit differently  if I was in control of Foriegn Diplomacy, I probably would have done similar things. Rather Id take the Setian route and assassinate Hussien all his sons and every other leader in the area. Set a new party that was Shiite off the bat, then let themselves duke it out while we finalize oil contracts. Or even divide the nation into 3, Kurd Shiite and Sunni.

Concerning Iran, the terrain would not lead to the coalition having a dominant favor. Hence tell every 1 at Military/ political instalations to leave before we bomb the shit out of it.
Feaněs

well, american politic, is really a big theme, but I think there are a lot of bad things happened in the past.

BUT: We shouldn't always keep an eye on the past, with Obama, I think things really could change, America isn't half as bad as the whole world says, I KNOW there are so many good people living there, and...remeber what the Americans did during the second world war, my land Austria, has to thank America for a lot of things.

I believe that Obama can turn the darkness into light; YES WE CAN!!!
The Wicked One

Feaněs wrote:
well, american politic, is really a big theme, but I think there are a lot of bad things happened in the past.

BUT: We shouldn't always keep an eye on the past, with Obama, I think things really could change, America isn't half as bad as the whole world says, I KNOW there are so many good people living there, and...remeber what the Americans did during the second world war, my land Austria, has to thank America for a lot of things.

I believe that Obama can turn the darkness into light; YES WE CAN!!!


For reasons that could lead to endless debate, I'll just say I disagree with Obama and will vote on McCain.
Feaněs

The Wicked One wrote:
Feaněs wrote:
well, american politic, is really a big theme, but I think there are a lot of bad things happened in the past.

BUT: We shouldn't always keep an eye on the past, with Obama, I think things really could change, America isn't half as bad as the whole world says, I KNOW there are so many good people living there, and...remeber what the Americans did during the second world war, my land Austria, has to thank America for a lot of things.

I believe that Obama can turn the darkness into light; YES WE CAN!!!


For reasons that could lead to endless debate, I'll just say I disagree with Obama and will vote on McCain.



Yeah, I agree, we can talk about it on and on... maybe we should leave it at this point, otherwise it could get a bit too personal,  everyone has got his own oppinion.
e6r6i6c

As a kid I always said I wanted to vissit America, and I still want to. And I can't explain my love for America. Maybe it's because of all the great things that come from America, the music, the movies, the food and lots more stuff.

And the things Bush did after 9/11, I think was the right decision, if America did not strike back, if they did not sent a message back to the people who did this, they would have thought they could get away with it.

And a lot of stupid people also reside here in europe, and there are also stupid political decisions being made over here, so I see no real difference other then that America is a huge country compared to our little sub countries making up Europe, and therefor problems in America are always blown out of proportions, when being compared to Europe.

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